ATC giving the go ahead for SW to take off and seconds later telling FedEx they were clear to land on the same runway. Thank God, the FedEx pilot saw what was happening and aborted his landing. Somebody's head should roll for this, but I'm sure the union will protect the poor government worker.
I laughed at the Amish guys thank you for professionalism and the simple reply. I know what I would have said to the Amish guy but it would even get me cancelled here as it has before. Still love you Irish.
Nice, the simulation doesn't catch the fact this was a low visibility situation. FedEx 767 was autolanding on 18 left, that 737 can't be anywhere near that runway. Blancolirio on utube breaks down real good.
In the landing clearance to FedEx and the takeoff clearance to SWA, ATC notes RVR at beginning (Touchdown Zone*), mid-point, and departure end of runway 17L. RVR is Runway Visual Range and is measured in feet. (Ex: RVR1800 is visual range of 1,800 feet) That can easily be converted into yards, meters, or fraction of a mile. RVR information is so the pilot can comply with company policy and federal regulations WRT aircraft performance and airport operations. Plus, the information gives pilots a heads up of what to expect.
Both aircraft here have onboard the equipment which allows them to continue in the reduced visibility values given (although RVR600 for mid-field would prevent most traffic from landing if that RVR value was at the TDZE)
While this event occurred in limited visual range, it was the loss of adequate separation which was the main problem. FedEx pilots made the executive decision to abort the landing. I think it was the proper decision.
A factor in continuing the landing in this circumstance could entrap them when the investigation concludes there was in fact a loss of separation, that it is reasonable to think the FedEx were aware of that, yet they continued the landing. The FedEx pilots would now be in the hot box feeling the heat.
Commercial aviation is one of the most heavily regulated business there is. Heavy penalties, career ending penalties. Then there is the latitude allowed controllers and FAA goons by which they can turn a mound into a mountain. Or, as I have first hand knowledge, an FAA individual nay have a personal interest in quashing a particular commercial operator.
That used to be an MD11 route. I didn't know they'd upgraded to the Boeing. That ATC needs to taken out of the rota... and sent back to Popeyes drive through.
That ATC needs more sim time controlling accident sims or he's going to kill a whole bunch of people. I'm betting he gets demoted to route control in east bumfook Alaska for a lloooonngg period of time before he's allowed back into airport control rotation again.
At what Jesus Christ f@#king airport did this happen?
ReplyDeleteATC giving the go ahead for SW to take off and seconds later telling FedEx they were clear to land on the same runway. Thank God, the FedEx pilot saw what was happening and aborted his landing. Somebody's head should roll for this, but I'm sure the union will protect the poor government worker.
ReplyDeleteATC guy is ready for a promotion to overseeing Air Force One operations.,
DeleteWe can only wish.
DeleteI detected a hint of amish in the air traffic controllers voice. Must have been another one of those diversity hires.
ReplyDeleteBear Claw
Those Amish are so diverse, bless their sweet souls!
DeleteI laughed at the Amish guys thank you for professionalism and the simple reply. I know what I would have said to the Amish guy but it would even get me cancelled here as it has before. Still love you Irish.
DeleteListen to the diction. The ATC who gave the go ahead was a diversity token.
ReplyDeleteWell, diversity is our strength.
ReplyDeleteWe've gone from Affirmative Action to Affirmative Destruction.
ReplyDeleteNice, the simulation doesn't catch the fact this was a low visibility situation. FedEx 767 was autolanding on 18 left, that 737 can't be anywhere near that runway. Blancolirio on utube breaks down real good.
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In the landing clearance to FedEx and the takeoff clearance to SWA, ATC notes RVR at beginning (Touchdown Zone*), mid-point, and departure end of runway 17L.
DeleteRVR is Runway Visual Range and is measured in feet. (Ex: RVR1800 is visual range of 1,800 feet) That can easily be converted into yards, meters, or fraction of a mile. RVR information is so the pilot can comply with company policy and federal regulations WRT aircraft performance and airport operations. Plus, the information gives pilots a heads up of what to expect.
Both aircraft here have onboard the equipment which allows them to continue in the reduced visibility values given (although RVR600 for mid-field would prevent most traffic from landing if that RVR value was at the TDZE)
While this event occurred in limited visual range, it was the loss of adequate separation which was the main problem.
FedEx pilots made the executive decision to abort the landing. I think it was the proper decision.
A factor in continuing the landing in this circumstance could entrap them when the investigation concludes there was in fact a loss of separation, that it is reasonable to think the FedEx were aware of that, yet they continued the landing. The FedEx pilots would now be in the hot box feeling the heat.
Commercial aviation is one of the most heavily regulated business there is. Heavy penalties, career ending penalties. Then there is the latitude allowed controllers and FAA goons by which they can turn a mound into a mountain. Or, as I have first hand knowledge, an FAA individual nay have a personal interest in quashing a particular commercial operator.
Excellent walk-through here--
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvUOHa8n7aQ
Don’t worry The secretary of transportation is on it.
ReplyDeleteAfter he takes his butt plug out.
DeleteThat used to be an MD11 route. I didn't know they'd upgraded to the Boeing. That ATC needs to taken out of the rota... and sent back to Popeyes drive through.
ReplyDeleteEquity! Diversity! Holy fucking shit.
ReplyDeleteTop. Men.
ReplyDeleteDiversity Is Our Strength!
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That ATC needs more sim time controlling accident sims or he's going to kill a whole bunch of people. I'm betting he gets demoted to route control in east bumfook Alaska for a lloooonngg period of time before he's allowed back into airport control rotation again.
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