I would NEVER carry a pistol like the man in the video for fear of exactly what happened to him. I know people who do carry in this fashion. My son carried like that for quite some time. Some who carry this way will lecture on and on about the attributes of safety in using this method. Most of the time when carrying a Glock 19 or 1911 I don't even carry a round in the chamber unless I am passing through hostile territory (i.e. Birmingham) or expecting trouble which is very rare. I use Kydex plastic holsters which are molded to particular gun (outside or inside the waistband) for a variety of scenarios because they are functional and "safe". However, I am old school and still like leather holsters. If I have my britches on, I always have my NAA .22 magnum revolver in my right front pocket holstered in leather. That holster is simple, safe, and comfortable to carry. I do carry it fully loaded. The NAA has feature that allows the hammer to be rested between two rounds to prevent the hammer from accidentally touching off a round if dropped, etc. I carry my Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag. in a leather over the shoulder rig that is comfortable and "handy". I only carry five rounds in the cylinder, because my RSB is an older "three screw" model that doesn't have the safety feature newer Ruger's have which allow the hammer to be rested on a loaded chamber. I am always looking for new ways to safely and comfortably carry a pistol whether openly or concealed. So, how do you carry your pistol?
Empty chamber. 1911, Baretta 9000s, and Taurus model 92. I don't totally trust the safeties or holstering, unholstering either. I don't mind the extra second it takes to chamber.
Airwieght 38. Hammerless. 15lbs trigger pull. Keep it in my pocket. Won't snag the when I pull it out thus there's a good chance I won't shoot my nuts off/ LOL
Great little pistol considering in most case self defense is short distance
Kahr P380, chamber loaded, in a molded leather pocket holster pretty much all the time. Sig P228 in a shoulder holster if I'm out and about. Round in the chamber, hammer down. When I holster it I have my thumb on the hammer and STOP if I feel it move.
I can tell how I don't carry and that's with the muzzle pointed towards the family jewels. I prefer OWB but have IWB options all with some variation of a 1911. I'd rather carry with a shoulder holster than stuffing a loaded pistol down in my crotch.
Wearing cargo's, the wallet is on the left leg while the Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 ACP Pistol is on the right leg. Gently taps you when you are walking and very easy access.
Glock 37 45GAP in OWB Fiacchi leather holster with an empty chamber and trigger pulled in the 4 o'clock position. I was taught Israeli carry back in the 80's.
Hi Irish, 'Mostly just "Open Carry!!" But for a "Pocket piece," how about a Taurus PT-22... with CCI "Stingers!!" The Taurus has a good safety and a "HAMMER!!", Ya' gotta pull the trigger all the way back and get the hammer to move to it's release point!! Safety on, it ain't movin'!!! CCI "Stingers!!" (hp) 1650 fps outta' the gate!! Got Gunz!!!!!!!!*OUTLAW, skybill PS (*) We're "ALL" OUTLAWS Now......'You Know!!!'..... and a tip of the Hatlo hat to Lewis Carrol....
1911 or .357 in a molded Triple K leather owb, not chambered. For backup, a Ruger lcr in a neoprene DeSantis holster in front pocket or in an deep set Galco IWB behind the back with all 5 rounds.
Appendix carry is a super fast draw. Works best if you're a skinny SOB. It's not practical for a normal lifestyle. If you're casually walking around the park, awesome. If you work for a living and are up and down a lot forget it. My EDC is a G19, OTW. Hot.
I also have a lot of concerns about appendix carry, especially if you are up and down a lot, as Brad said, since when you are seated, the gun is pointed directly at either your jewels or femoral artery or both. But a fair number of well regarded gun guys do it - they all have a holster that completely protects the trigger, and they take a lot of time reholstering the gun VERY carefully. A far as empty chamber carry, you generally only have about 3 seconds to react to an attack. Have someone time you in drawing, racking the slide and getting a good hit on target from 15-20 feet. Then time yourself drawing and firing with a round already in the chamber. Compare the two times, and see if you are OK with the longer time it takes with an empty chamber. It may not seem like a lot, but remember how quickly an attacker can cover ground. And what if you have your support hand isn't free, as in holding a child or fending off an attacker?
Also, go to the Active Self Protection website and search for empty chamber carry and see how in a violent attack you may not have time to chamber a round. https://activeselfprotection.com/?s=empty+chamber+carry Besides, JMB designed the 1911 to be carried cocked and locked, and I'm not smart enough to contradict him! :-) and Sykes - again looking at the videos from active self protection, you'll see MANY cases of people being attacked in places where they might not need a gun, but were glad they had one anyway. Odds are I won't need my seat belt when I'm driving, or a fire extinguisher in my house, etc., etc. Low probability, high consequence events... A really good trainer, Tom Givens, has had at least 66 or 67 students of his students involved in 'self defense' shootings - all except three won their encounters, and the reason those three lost was because they thought they weren't going to be someplace where they would need their gun that day. Those three died, unfortunately. As I said, high consequences ...
Agreed Tom, If your carrying with an empty chamber go by a can of mace. You're going to be a statistic. Any trainer worth a crap will tell you, bad idea. Do your home work.
Glock 10MM IWB, chamber empty and gun/holster go together when putting on, never gun by itself. I trust safeties most of the time and in 50 years have only had one gun fire when the safety was on. Fortunately it was in a safe direction, but mechanical items can fail (even after years of being reliable)and I really don't want to shoot myself or anyone else unless I really intend to send lead in that direction.
The odds of needing a gun at all are extremely low. If you need one, you need it NOW, and won't have time to rack the slide, or the gun may be moving sideways or up and down in a way that will cause a failure to feed (I've seen it happen). If you're that worried about carrying a quality pistol in Condition One, you need one of two things: 1) More training, or 2) a revolver. Even if you carry a revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer (not necessary with any quality revolver made since 1899), the first trigger pull will make it go bang.
I beg to differ with your "quality revolver made since 1899" comment Old 1811. The model I was referring to is my Ruger Super Blackhawk "three screw model" in .44 magnum. These are of excellent quality and highly sought after pistols. They are also single action (the gun has to be manually cocked before firing). The older Ruger pistols lack the transfer bar of "newer" Ruger pistols. On the older model Rugers such as mine, the hammer rests on top of the firing pin. Should something strike the hammer hard enough or if the pistol fell and landed hammer first on a loaded chamber, an accidental discharge is possible. Additionally, if I were in a life threatening situation, the hammer would be backed as the gun was being drawn from the holster in essentially one motion.
Okay, ya got me. I was referring to DA revolvers. Single-action Rugers, whether Old Model or New Model, were kinda off my radar regarding viable self-defense revolvers. (But you gotta admit, even if you're carrying empty under the hammer, no extra manipulation is necessary, since your first hammer-cock brings a live banger into play. You're giving up one shot, but you're not giving up any time, and you don't need two hands to make the gun usable.)
Thanks for stopping by. My intention was not to "get ya". LOL I also carry a Tarus Judge sometimes. It is not for shooting bad guys, but for "snakes and such". I would really like to find a more comfortable way to carry that HEAVY piece of hardware. I am always surprised at the insight/knowledge I gain from reading this and similar blogs. Again, thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts and they were well taken.
1995-2005 Glock 26, right front pocket, empty chamber because of Glock's stupid trigger safety. But, after this time right leg front thigh muscle began to have pains. I then changed to the NAA .22 Mag, carry w/full chambers hammer resting between rounds. Truck gun is Ruger Ranch Rifle in stainless w/folding stock in .223 Remington, empty chamber with 20 round magazine. No case, just wrapped in a towel.
Empty chamber. 1911, Baretta 9000s, and Taurus model 92. I don't totally trust the safeties or holstering, unholstering either. I don't mind the extra second it takes to chamber.
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Airwieght 38. Hammerless. 15lbs trigger pull. Keep it in my pocket. Won't snag the when I pull it out thus there's a good chance I won't shoot my nuts off/ LOL
ReplyDeleteGreat little pistol considering in most case self defense is short distance
Kahr P380, chamber loaded, in a molded leather pocket holster pretty much all the time. Sig P228 in a shoulder holster if I'm out and about. Round in the chamber, hammer down. When I holster it I have my thumb on the hammer and STOP if I feel it move.
ReplyDeleteS&W M&P Compact 9, Blackhawk IWB Holster in the 5 O'Clock position. Always one in the pipe.
ReplyDeleteRuger 1911. Empty chamber. Leather inside waist, right hip.
ReplyDeleteI can tell how I don't carry and that's with the muzzle pointed towards the family jewels. I prefer OWB but have IWB options all with some variation of a 1911. I'd rather carry with a shoulder holster than stuffing a loaded pistol down in my crotch.
ReplyDeleteWearing cargo's, the wallet is on the left leg while the Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 ACP Pistol is on the right leg. Gently taps you when you are walking and very easy access.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFXp1R1lxe8. <----He makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI carry .45acp 1911, round in the chamber, safety on. I carry Glock 26, round in the chamber.
Glock 37 45GAP in OWB Fiacchi leather holster with an empty chamber and trigger pulled in the 4 o'clock position. I was taught Israeli carry back in the 80's.
ReplyDeleteSummer- 1911 in a iwb and look the gun back in.
ReplyDeleteWinter- clamshell, vertical, shoulder rig.
Both in condition 1.
Hi Irish,
ReplyDelete'Mostly just "Open Carry!!" But for a "Pocket piece," how about a Taurus PT-22... with CCI "Stingers!!" The Taurus has a good safety and a "HAMMER!!", Ya' gotta pull the trigger all the way back and get the hammer to move to it's release point!! Safety on, it ain't movin'!!! CCI "Stingers!!" (hp) 1650 fps outta' the gate!!
Got Gunz!!!!!!!!*OUTLAW,
skybill
PS (*) We're "ALL" OUTLAWS Now......'You Know!!!'..... and a tip of the Hatlo hat to Lewis Carrol....
Hi Irish,
ReplyDeleteThat guy's a "Nut Case!!" Oh, excuse me .... "Lack there of!!!!!"
skybill
1911 or .357 in a molded Triple K leather owb, not chambered. For backup, a Ruger lcr in a neoprene DeSantis holster in front pocket or in an deep set Galco IWB behind the back with all
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Appendix carry is a super fast draw. Works best if you're a skinny SOB. It's not practical for a normal lifestyle. If you're casually walking around the park, awesome. If you work for a living and are up and down a lot forget it. My EDC is a G19, OTW. Hot.
ReplyDeleteI don’t carry. I stay away from places I might need a gun. Yeah, I know SH. I’ll depend on you guys. Don’t shoot me or youself.
ReplyDeleteI also have a lot of concerns about appendix carry, especially if you are up and down a lot, as Brad said, since when you are seated, the gun is pointed directly at either your jewels or femoral artery or both. But a fair number of well regarded gun guys do it - they all have a holster that completely protects the trigger, and they take a lot of time reholstering the gun VERY carefully.
ReplyDeleteA far as empty chamber carry, you generally only have about 3 seconds to react to an attack. Have someone time you in drawing, racking the slide and getting a good hit on target from 15-20 feet. Then time yourself drawing and firing with a round already in the chamber. Compare the two times, and see if you are OK with the longer time it takes with an empty chamber. It may not seem like a lot, but remember how quickly an attacker can cover ground. And what if you have your support hand isn't free, as in holding a child or fending off an attacker?
Also, go to the Active Self Protection website and search for empty chamber carry and see how in a violent attack you may not have time to chamber a round.
https://activeselfprotection.com/?s=empty+chamber+carry
Besides, JMB designed the 1911 to be carried cocked and locked, and I'm not smart enough to contradict him! :-)
and Sykes - again looking at the videos from active self protection, you'll see MANY cases of people being attacked in places where they might not need a gun, but were glad they had one anyway. Odds are I won't need my seat belt when I'm driving, or a fire extinguisher in my house, etc., etc. Low probability, high consequence events... A really good trainer, Tom Givens, has had at least 66 or 67 students of his students involved in 'self defense' shootings - all except three won their encounters, and the reason those three lost was because they thought they weren't going to be someplace where they would need their gun that day. Those three died, unfortunately. As I said, high consequences ...
Agreed Tom, If your carrying with an empty chamber go by a can of mace. You're going to be a statistic. Any trainer worth a crap will tell you, bad idea. Do your home work.
DeleteGlock 10MM IWB, chamber empty and gun/holster go together when putting on, never gun by itself. I trust safeties most of the time and in 50 years have only had one gun fire when the safety was on. Fortunately it was in a safe direction, but mechanical items can fail (even after years of being reliable)and I really don't want to shoot myself or anyone else unless I really intend to send lead in that direction.
ReplyDeleteMost generally, a Sig P320 Compact,AIWB.
ReplyDeleteI ain't skeered.
The odds of needing a gun at all are extremely low. If you need one, you need it NOW, and won't have time to rack the slide, or the gun may be moving sideways or up and down in a way that will cause a failure to feed (I've seen it happen). If you're that worried about carrying a quality pistol in Condition One, you need one of two things: 1) More training, or 2) a revolver. Even if you carry a revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer (not necessary with any quality revolver made since 1899), the first trigger pull will make it go bang.
ReplyDeleteI beg to differ with your "quality revolver made since 1899" comment Old 1811. The model I was referring to is my Ruger Super Blackhawk "three screw model" in .44 magnum. These are of excellent quality and highly sought after pistols. They are also single action (the gun has to be manually cocked before firing). The older Ruger pistols lack the transfer bar of "newer" Ruger pistols. On the older model Rugers such as mine, the hammer rests on top of the firing pin. Should something strike the hammer hard enough or if the pistol fell and landed hammer first on a loaded chamber, an accidental discharge is possible. Additionally, if I were in a life threatening situation, the hammer would be backed as the gun was being drawn from the holster in essentially one motion.
DeleteOkay, ya got me. I was referring to DA revolvers. Single-action Rugers, whether Old Model or New Model, were kinda off my radar regarding viable self-defense revolvers. (But you gotta admit, even if you're carrying empty under the hammer, no extra manipulation is necessary, since your first hammer-cock brings a live banger into play. You're giving up one shot, but you're not giving up any time, and you don't need two hands to make the gun usable.)
DeleteThanks for stopping by. My intention was not to "get ya". LOL
DeleteI also carry a Tarus Judge sometimes. It is not for shooting bad guys, but for "snakes and such". I would really like to find a more comfortable way to carry that HEAVY piece of hardware. I am always surprised at the insight/knowledge I gain from reading this and similar blogs.
Again, thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts and they were well taken.
New mmodel Blackhawk .45 in shoulder rig.
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Sig 938 belly band
NAA .22 mag in leather pocket holster
Ruger 22/45 in drop leg
1995-2005 Glock 26, right front pocket, empty chamber because of Glock's stupid trigger safety. But, after this time right leg front thigh muscle began to have pains. I then changed to the NAA .22 Mag, carry w/full chambers hammer resting between rounds. Truck gun is Ruger Ranch Rifle in stainless w/folding stock in .223 Remington, empty chamber with 20 round magazine. No case, just wrapped in a towel.
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